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Jon - Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:23 pm
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So it seems like the book is finally out, after years of work. I will order it after I have posted this message.

Anyone else looking forward to this?

What I am most curious about is how Edgar writes about Franke in the book. Will he mention him by name at all?

https://www.edgarfroese.de/shop/products.php?p=c4fb33
dronescape - Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:30 pm
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If the excerpts quoted in the TD documentary were taken from the book, Froese refers to Chris Franke as Christoph Franke. No big deal.

As for the rest:

http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/music/td/interviews/interview_franke_left.html

Stephen
VCO1 - Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:36 am
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« dronescape » wrote:
If the excerpts quoted in the TD documentary were taken from the book, Froese refers to Chris Franke as Christoph Franke. No big deal.

As for the rest:

http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/music/td/interviews/interview_franke_left.html

Stephen


From that interview:
"There were no warm feelings anymore, because I didn't think my music was as
good as it could have been."

Unfortunately the quality of his music didn't improve after he'd left TD.
dronescape - Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:27 am
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Right. Although Pacific Coast Highway was a pleasant album -- a pleasant showcase of what could have been (or shouldn't, as some of it was just a tad too pleasant and too much of that elevator muzak so popular in the early 1990s).

Apparently, there hasn't been much mud-slinging or fisticuffs either.

Stephen
RogerS - Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:59 pm
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According to the Zest the Biography will ship on the 7th of October....
Hopefully I'll receive it before the 14th because then I can take it with me on my trip to Berlin...
Jon - Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:41 am
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« RogerS » wrote:
According to the Zest the Biography will ship on the 7th of October....


Good news! I wondered about when it would ship.
scorpion - Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:58 am
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Like any book, i will have to read some extracts to see if I like the writing style and depth. As much as I find the band interesting, a picture of the book cover isn't going to make me part with that amount of money.
dronescape - Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:15 pm
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« scorpion » wrote:
[...] As much as I find the band interesting, a picture of the book cover isn't going to make me part with that amount of money.


Judging a book by its cover, I suppose Razz...

Stephen
Daniel - Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:23 pm
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I pre-ordered this book just after Edgar died.

I was doubtful that I would get to read it before I died.

There's still time......
GrahamH - Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:59 pm
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« Daniel » wrote:
I pre-ordered this book just after Edgar died.

I was doubtful that I would get to read it before I died.

There's still time......


Nice one.... Laughing

All good things come to those who wait. I'm sure it'll arrive soon Daniel.

I didn't order it myself, although I might buy it if the initial reviews are favourable. Wink
RogerS - Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:46 am
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According to the website "The Zest" it can take a while before everybody who pre-ordered the book will receive it..

"'TANGERINE DREAM - FORCE MAJEURE' the Edgar Froese autobiography - shipped. NB due to the large amount of Books and CDs that need to be posted (over 3,500) it will take the entire month to send these out to fans. "
dronescape - Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:54 am
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« RogerS » wrote:
According to the website "The Zest" it can take a while before everybody who pre-ordered the book will receive it.. [...]


Now this is something I got used to somehow in the past three years...

Stephen
Jon - Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:43 pm
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3500 ordered the book? That's quite a good number. Total price should be around 250 000 Euro.
RogerS - Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:29 pm
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I still didn't receive my book. Sad

Tomorrow is E-Live in Eindhoven where Tangerine Dream will play...

It will be unlikely that they are not selling the book @E_Live meaning that I, who ordered already on Jan 2015 (Edgar was still alive!), will get the book later than whomever buys it @E-Live... Not good.
VCO1 - Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:54 pm
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« RogerS » wrote:
I still didn't receive my book. Sad

Tomorrow is E-Live in Eindhoven where Tangerine Dream will play...

It will be unlikely that they are not selling the book @E_Live meaning that I, who ordered already on Jan 2015 (Edgar was still alive!), will get the book later than whomever buys it @E-Live... Not good.

Your order may have got lost since Edgar changed his cosmic address...
qwave - Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:08 pm
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I ordered January 2014. And yet no book here. Grrr!

Edit: it finally arrived 3rd Nov 2017
dronescape - Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:28 pm
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You mean, January 2015? In January 2014, the book project hadn't been announced yet.

I ordered in September 2014 and guess what, still no book received!

That's true customer care.

Stephen
RogerS - Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:30 pm
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And with the 10% discount @ Groove when you pre-order it for E-Live it is just as expensive because you don't have the shipping costs of 11.31 Euro...
qwave - Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:38 pm
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« dronescape » wrote:
You mean, January 2015? In January 2014, the book project hadn't been announced yet.
...

Stephen,
I read about the book in the Zest #19 sent to me on 16th of January 2014.
And I ordered and paid it via PayPal on this day at Eastgate.
I still got all those emails here and the Zest PDF.

And I promise: I will never ever buy something again from these unprofessional shop!
RogerS - Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:18 pm
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Me too!
Jon - Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:01 pm
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Rumours say that Andy King has received the book.

He may be the only one.

Laughing
Jon - Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:02 pm
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« VCO1 » wrote:
« RogerS » wrote:
I still didn't receive my book. Sad

Tomorrow is E-Live in Eindhoven where Tangerine Dream will play...

It will be unlikely that they are not selling the book @E_Live meaning that I, who ordered already on Jan 2015 (Edgar was still alive!), will get the book later than whomever buys it @E-Live... Not good.

Your order may have got lost since Edgar changed his cosmic address...


Wow.

An attempt at humour at emportal.

Rolling Eyes
electrobs - Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:13 pm
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electrobs - Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:18 pm
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« Jon » wrote:
Rumours say that Andy King has received the book.

He may be the only one.

Laughing


Yes, Andy received his english version and Olaf Lux + Dirk Jan Müller (Cosmic Ground) their german ones.
BruecknerAmbient - Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:12 pm
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« electrobs » wrote:
« Jon » wrote:
Rumours say that Andy King has received the book.

He may be the only one.

Laughing


Yes, Andy received his english version and Olaf Lux + Dirk Jan Müller (Cosmic Ground) their german ones.


A few others posted about receiving it recently on FB as well... Wink

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RogerS - Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:05 pm
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It's for sale @e-live. Sad
And of course complaining doesn't work because the guy at the stall can't help because he is not from the management.

For me it is the last thing I've bougth from TD.
dronescape - Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:47 pm
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« RogerS » wrote:
It's for sale @e-live. Sad
And of course complaining doesn't work because the guy at the stall can't help because he is not from the management.

For me it is the last thing I've bougth from TD.


This is so pathetic.

I am glad I am not attending E-Live, otherwise I might feel seriously inclined to kick some butt.

But as long as people keep buying from TDI, it's their license to print money bills -- why bother when there's someone complaining?

Stephen
Jon - Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:01 pm
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It's Eastgate, not TDI.
dronescape - Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:59 pm
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So what?

It sucks either way.

Stephen
Audioot - Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:36 pm
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Bianca brought ordered items to Eindhoven where they could be picked up. I expect the others to be shipped thereafter?
RogerS - Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:00 pm
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This was indeed announced between the two sets of Tangerine Dream that only after the show the book could be picked up. Strange that the sales guy behind at the stall wasn't aware of this...

Because it was already late (23:45) when the show ended and that my son was very tired (9 years old) I didn't want to wait and drove home directly after the show. I'll see it arrive in the mail box somewhere this week....
Audioot - Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:03 pm
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Daniel - Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:30 pm
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Any other UK members go theirs yet?
thirdsystem - Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:07 am
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That's my book arrived here this morning. north of Hadrian's wall Wink

This looks something special , worth the wait possibly ! Also a bookmark of Edgar and a very nice print of one of his art works. I have just played the Light Flux CD - first listen impression is that this is also very good indeed, a real 70s/80s TD vibe. Very impressed with the whole package.
Ron - Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:53 am
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We have all the Dutch copies that where not picked up and they will ship today to all. Bianca asked us to do this .
RogerS - Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:52 pm
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Nice, will look forward. Hopefully I'll get it before the weekend.
Ron - Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:57 pm
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they are just at the post office should be there tomorrow
Ron - Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:59 pm
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RogerS, wat is je normale naam? dan stuur ik je de tracktrace
RogerS - Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:05 pm
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Roger Schuncken
Ron - Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:07 pm
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die zat er niet bij Rogier, misschien toch ff navragen want volgens Bianca zou alles met mijn zijn meegegeven
RogerS - Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:08 pm
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Dank je wel. Ik zal vanavond maar contact opnemen met Eastgate.. Sad
Daniel - Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:17 pm
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« thirdsystem » wrote:
That's my book arrived here this morning. north of Hadrian's wall Wink


Still nothing in the Soft South....
terjewi - Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:29 pm
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I got the book today. Waited 3,5 years for this. It will be really interesting to read.
Daniel - Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:50 am
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Well, after waiting since 21 Jan 2015, and on many occasions expecting never to see this, The Book is finally in my hands. A much more substantial tome than I was anticipating, with colour pictures in the centre, but no pictures spread through the text, which is a little odd for a large, colour hard-bound book I thought. The paper is a bit light-weight but the text is clear and should be a thoroughly interesting read.....

I'm actually a bit emotional about getting this! Like many here I expect, I grew up on TD and saw them several times. My interest in them waned in their later years, but I was surprised to see how just many albums they have released since I stopped buying them (I-Box, 2000). I was genuinely upset when I heard that Edgar had died, and immediately bought the book - or more accurately pre-ordered it, as it turned out, when I read the confirmation email properly! For years I had wanted something more than a concert programme to read about and was left wanting more after 'Digital Gothic' in 1997. Here's hoping I am not disappointed....

np - TD - Light Flux
qwave - Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:55 am
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My copy arrived yesterday after more then 1000 days of waiting (Ordered January 2014)
xxx440Hz - Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:45 pm
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And when you read one or 2 pages randomly, what is your feeling? Interesting?
dronescape - Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:42 pm
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Interesting, erm... grammar and spelling, at least in the German version (I'd rather not picture the translation into English...). Froese definitely stretched the boundaries not only in musical terms.

Seriously, though, I'd have spent another 500 Euros on some proper proof-reading as this tends to look a bit pathetic at times.

In terms of contents, it's surprisingly comprehensive. Was it well worth the wait? Not exactly sure about that (ordered and paid on 7th September 2014). Would I spend 70 quid on it? Most probably not.

Stephen
wmri - Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:46 pm
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I've ordered the book 27.01.2014. The waiting continues...
Daniel - Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:56 pm
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Don't give up...with your cosmic location, Mr Froese might deliver it personally.
RogerS - Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:44 pm
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« wmri » wrote:
I've ordered the book 27.01.2014. The waiting continues...

Contact Eastgate that you didn't receive the book
Jon - Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:00 pm
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I finally received it.

I think the correct title for the book should be "Force Majeure 1967 - 1990".

Seems to be mostly about the 70s and 80s, which is a bit disappointing for a fan like me, who discovered the band in 1991.

But on the other hand...of course I look forward to reading the book.

I sneak-peaked a bit through the book, and found it interesting that Edgar and Franke had a 10 minute meeting in LA in 1989 about further collaboration. After that, they never talked again.
wmri - Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:00 pm
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Actually it arrived the day I decided to write about it. I've already had the notice to receive the package, but I didn't know it was it. And it is quite heavy - 1.5 kg I didn't think the book would be large encyclopedia format. Happy to have it!
cyberiad2001 - Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:19 am
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wmri - Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:01 am
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Looks like no matter that I was as early as January, I'm not in first 500 buyers, so got only short EP. Who has got the album Light Flux along? Original offer included unique compilation that should've been available only to early buyers of book. But both Light Flux album and EP are available to everybody for additional money.
Jon - Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:19 pm
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I just started on the massive Bowie chapter...

Anyone having finished the book?
Jon - Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:29 am
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ANYWAY, I finally finished the book. Of course a hugely fascinating read, all the way from Dali in the first chapter, a man Edgar clearly was in awe of. Sadly, the book doesn't tell the full story of TD. Edgar writes in detail about the 70s and 80s, but rushes through the 90s in one single chapter, and there isn't really anything about the new millennium. But of course his untimely death had everything to do with that.

I was curious how Edgar would write about Franke in the book. I think Edgar is quite fair with him, after all they played together for 16 years, and it shines through that musically they were even partners with quite a bit in common. Of course, sarcasm is a thing Edgar is quite fond of, but I feel almost everyone in the book (minus Bowie!) gets a share of it, not just Franke.

Speaking of Bowie, I think the chapter about him is way too lomg. Sure, Edgar was clearly a big fan of him, but 25 pages in his own autobiography?? You can say what you want, but I think Edgar all the way through his career liked to mingle a bit with people who were more famous than himself. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not neccessarily what the readers are most interested in reading about.

I liked the chapters about film soundtracks like Thief, Risky Business, Firestarter and Shy People, and also about projects that DIDN'T materialize, like Oliver Stone's The Hand. Chapter 41 is an enigma, though, what kind of movie was this about, that TD scored during two weeks in the US autumn 86? Edgar mentions the film producer's name as Moshe Silverman/Silverstein, but imdb lists no one with that name. Puzzling.

Some of the 80s studio albums are not really mentioned at all, like White Eagle, Hyperborea, Le Parc, Underwater Sunlight and Tyger. Strange, it seems like Edgar is more interested in writing about the different tours and concerts. Maybe it's because they generated more stories and happenings?

Haslinger receives mostly praise, Jim Rakete too, Schmoelling a little less praise, music journalist Karl Dallas even less, while record label bosses are the worst for Edgar. During the three pages of chapter 45, "Arrogance And Power", Edgar states five times that the record label boss was fat. OK, maybe he was, but I don't think that detail should be interesting for the readers. It is also quite clear that the time with Jerome in the band was not a particularly easy time for Edgar. He even mentions that the fans didn't particularly like TD's 90s stuff - I think t's quite rare that he goes into detail about this, as I always was under the impression that Edgar composed what he wanted and that he didn't really care too much what the fans said.

What I perhaps like best about Edgar's writing, is how he amusingly lashes out towards the musical purists who could only accept classical music, or rock music with conventional instruments. Edgar is a strong defender of electronic music, one that the world needs more than one of, especially now that he is gone.

The two words "slightly irritated" can be read numerous times throughout the book, as well as "scrambled eggs " and "coffee".
And Edgar is not a big fan of his homeland Germany. I guess he was more a citizen of the world.
VCO1 - Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:10 am
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Thanks for sharing your views on the book, Jon. It helps in deciding if I want to spend money on Edgar's autobiography.

It's a pity to see that Edgar apparently doesn't always give the people he worked with as much praise as they deserve. In my opinion it was Edgar who started the fire, but without (especially) Franke and Schmoelling TD wouldn't got the fame they eventually got. I mean the highly praised albums of the (late) 70's: it's for a large part Franke (as can be heard on his solo music). The successes of Poland, Logos, White Eagle, Exit... basically everything during his stint with TD: it's purely Schmoelling.
cyberiad2001 - Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:48 am
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Good review, Jon Smile My feelings are basically the same about the book, having read it a while ago (and some bits a couple of times). My interest in definetly is in the first half of the book and I agree that it seems that Edgar hasn´t got too many happy memories about the definitive years of his career. But it is fascinating read and you get loads of inside information of things you thought you were familiar with. I think the carachterisations he gives on people, especially Peter and Chris, are very revealing. Edgar´s style is very colourful and rambling, but many things the fans have constructed in their minds because of the vague information so far and assumptiuons, are laid bare and were actually much simpler and direct in real life. The main theme of the book seems to me to be that it all was a hell of a struggle:)
xxx440Hz - Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:47 am
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The encounter with Schulze and the separation with TD is worth to purchase the book.
Jon - Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:22 pm
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« cyberiad2001 » wrote:
The main theme of the book seems to me to be that it all was a hell of a struggle:)


Yes, I agree with that.

One thing I forgot to mention was Monika Froese. I had no idea that she was so central for TD all the way from 1970 to 2000. I thought she just designed some covers, but she was almost like a manager of some sort, taking care of all kind of things.

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