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B-Wave - Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:23 am
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For the moment tickets sales are too low.
So, if you are intended to come to the festival : get your tickets now! Don't wait until next month or so!
We will decide on October 14th (that's already in 12 days!) if the festival takes place or not.
I am dead serious. I also will question the further existence of B-Wave as well. Most likely it will cease to exist.
If you have such a great line-up but tickets sales says people aren't interested, then this it for me. Really.
Why do we have to make a decision now? Well, within two weeks we have the first big chunk of money to pay. As a matter of fact there already were costs involved. Even with the financial support of Flanders this year, we won't make it! Read about my earlier post about the fact that B-Wave is a small non-profit organisation, not a million € company which has its tangles deep in the media as well.

For the ones who already bought their tickets: THANKS for your support and don't worry, I will refund everyone. I will get in touch with you if the festival won't take place !
BruecknerAmbient - Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:34 pm
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Shocked Sad to imagine a festival that features Michael Stearns has to be cancelled of lack of interest...

...that said, I admit that I'm "guilty" of not being able to attend myself - even if I'd love to. Crying or Very sad

Actually, I'll have to travel a lot already during the next few weeks, and adding B-Wave to the long list is just impossible.

I really hope the festival can take place though - good luck!

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dronescape - Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:16 pm
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Sad to imagine a festival that features Michael Stearns has to be cancelled of lack of interest...


I was tempted to comment on what type of diet the average electronic music listener seems to prefer these days but I am biting my tongue.

Would be a bloody shame if the three of us (two mates and myself) had to stay at home.

Stephen (keeping my fingers firmly crossed)
modulator_esp - Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:51 pm
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I'm sad because I'd love to see Michael Stearns, but already have a holiday booked with my wife that weekend, so am doomed not to Sad
RogerS - Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:32 am
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I really hope it will go ahead.

Maybe there are in the 4th quater of the year too many festivals? In the region of Belgium / Netherlands and the German Northrein-Westfalen area?

I've now planned to go to three festivals / concerts in October - December timeslot which for me is the maximum. I needed to skip some festivals.
Syn - Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:48 am
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« dronescape » wrote:
I was tempted to comment on what type of diet the average electronic music listener seems to prefer these days but I am biting my tongue

we all know the answer to that one, and it's not the music that is typically presented or mentioned on this forum. but the more commercial throw away pap.
Jon - Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:44 pm
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Problems for E-Live too according to Boots, far too few tickets having been sold so far.
BruecknerAmbient - Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:47 pm
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« Jon » wrote:
Problems for E-Live too according to Boots, far too few tickets having been sold so far.


Indeed. Rolling Eyes

As one of the musicians appearing there I can say it's rather bitter to invest (really!) a lot of time and effort (and actually money) into concert preparations, and then only a handful of people attend (thanks to everyone who does, of course! Smile ).

Not that I mind playing to five, or ten, or twenty people - I did that many times, and it always had been nice. But those where usually events with a much smaller amount of preparation, logistics and travel (in fact, we don't only need to travel from where we live to Oirschot, but also to get together for rehearsals.)

And I'm sure it's the same (or even more) for all the other acts as well.

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RogerS - Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:56 pm
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Maybe the number of concerts need to be reduced a bit.
For NL & Belgium I could imagine in the spring E-Day in the Eindhoven area and in the autumn B-Wave in the Zolder area. Now E-Live and B-wave are competing for the visitors.
VCO1 - Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:48 pm
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Playing devil's advocate... does the lack of interest not simply mean very few people are actually interested in these type of events? It may sound harsh, but if you don't attract enough people, the concept is perhaps not viable. As simple as that.

I'm a huge fan of electronic music for most of my life. But if I have the choice I'd rather go and see a good band than some guy sitting behind his laptop/modular synth.

I will attend the Schmoelling concert in Oirschot later this year though.
RogerS - Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:58 pm
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I agree. To be honest I ordered tickets for E-live mainly for Kebu. Unfortunately he had to cancel all his shows, so also E-live, due to personal circumstances. The current total line-up is imho not that exiting. I would have some serious considerations to go the the festival with the current line-up.

Maybe we are getting too spoiled...
dronescape - Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:47 pm
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Being an old fart, I do remember most of the KLEM dagen back in the 1990s. They were the only attraction of the year, and they were eagerly awaited, and there always were fabulous acts on stage. And even when the acts on the bill were not my main reason to attend, there was plenty of great things going on elsewhere.

Maybe three major festivals a year (B-Wave, Electronic Circus, E-Live) might yield more results than a dozen of small and not-so-well-attended ones? Maybe people are a tad tired of yet another weekend spent somewhere else? I for one can do without major names (although there are some people I would love to see live on stage), I am more after unusual acts that are not that often seen on stage.

But that's only me, of course. I might be wrong.

Stephen
VCO1 - Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:20 am
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« dronescape » wrote:
Being an old fart, I do remember most of the KLEM dagen back in the 1990s. They were the only attraction of the year, and they were eagerly awaited, and there always were fabulous acts on stage. And even when the acts on the bill were not my main reason to attend, there was plenty of great things going on elsewhere.

Totally agree!

« dronescape » wrote:
Maybe people are a tad tired of yet another weekend spent somewhere else?

Speaking for myself, yes. That's one of the reasons. That, and the fact that EM concerts generally are not that interesting. Although it is possible of course... Still remembering Ashra, Ciani, Gandalf and of course Dyson @KLEM and Loom @E-something. True performers.
Daniel - Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:41 am
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It's not always just the music - being with a group of other like-minded people, particularly when we are a far-flung and thinly spread group, is part of the fun. The forthcoming Awakenings all-dayer is a good example The team and musicians put in a lot of effort, but there must be something special to attract us to an old sports pavilion in Rugely on a Saturday night!

This has been debated before, that the live EM scene is shrinking and it's not like the old days, but face facts, unless you bring in a new group of listeners, any fan base will shrink, and so will the event-going sub-group. As a percentage of the fan base, I suspect there are more of us going to live music events than fans of "traditional" music, or even main stream activities such as football. How many Man U fans are there, and what percentage actually go to games? I bet it is a much smaller number than the percentage of fans who will (hopefully) see the musicians they enjoy at B-Wave.

Whenever I see these emails from the organisers I feel sorry for them and the musicians, but also get slightly annoyed that we, the fan base, is being told off that we should be coming to the events or we will loose them, and it's our fault. Sorry, but that is not how you get bums on seats. It's a big effort to travel to these events, which for most of the fans are long distances away (even in another country), on a Saturday night when The Boss has to be left by herself, to a venue that is not always comfortable (despite the best efforts of the host).

I appreciate that organisers are in a Catch-22, that the big names who attract the audience want a fee, which the organisers cannot afford as numbers are too small, and falling, while prices continue to rise. Smaller bands work for the love of it, but the audience numbers are too few to pay for the venue...etc.

I can see these concerts getting less regular, with perhaps one big name and some less popular artists to make up the numbers, and that will keep the audiences coming.....I hope. Even the Hampshire Jams, which regularly had several big names playing, eventually got less popular, despite being absolutely an excellent day out (apart from the Fish and Chips, which was aweful but a ritual!).
dronescape - Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:33 pm
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Organizing one major event per year per organiser perhaps helps to save up the funds required to get some major names on the bill.

The idea of organizing smaller venues in between to fill the gap apparently burns funds rather raises them so maybe this is a waste of time, energy, and effort.

There is that German saying that competitors liven up competition but that is only valid to a certain extent, I'm afraid. As soon as one festival is draining the crowd from another one, things turn a bit hairy... not only for the organisers but also for the people attending.

Stephen
REWO Records - Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:56 pm
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What about the finances:

- 20 to 50 euro for a ticket
- 20 to maybe 200 euro for travelling
- 20 to 30 euro for drinks and food
- not to forget all the CDs you would like to buy.

It is a lot of money...
B-Wave - Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:57 pm
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Very interesting debate Smile
It is indeed true that maybe there are too many concerts/festivals.
But as far as I can tell Awakenings, B-Wave, E-Live or EC plan a different line-up each time.
Maybe the nuances are small sometimes, but it is different. And this is great!
We (Mark and Johan, organizers of the B-Wave Festival) try -for example- to pay attention to the (totally) unknown artists, look at our line-up of this year and you'll see what I mean. We do NOT invite them to fill up the "empty gaps" in the line-up, no we really think their music is awesome! We will NEVER invite an artist who makes sh*t music to our opinion, even he/she is world-famous. Look at Alienna, finally a female artist and she has her unique and great style. Three years ago we had Space Megalithe from France. No-one had heard from them. Well they blew everyone's socks off! Last year we had Carbon Based Lifeforms, well, some complained that they were too "modern"/"trancy" etc. So, what does one want? This year we feature Michael Stearns who hasn't set foot on European ground since 2003 ! AND it's a fully surround performance as well with cinematic projection (the venue also is a cinema). Isn't that unique? In the US he is renown for his surround recordings btw.
Fixing a fine line-up is a difficult task. Ask any organizer Smile There's so much to take into account!
dronescape - Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:23 pm
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« REWO Records » wrote:
What about the finances:

- 20 to 50 euro for a ticket
- 20 to maybe 200 euro for travelling
- 20 to 30 euro for drinks and food
- not to forget all the CDs you would like to buy.

It is a lot of money...


Good point -- attending three festivals a year can make you a poor man. Add another concert or two...

When there was only KLEM dag, I was saving up my student's money all the year in order to be able to buy records, CDs, and memorabilia. And fuel, of course -- I was always happy to go with others to share the bill with.

I have grown a bit tired of travelling, I must confess.

Stephen
REWO Records - Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:47 pm
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« B-Wave » wrote:
Very interesting debate Smile
It is indeed true that maybe there are too many concerts/festivals.
But as far as I can tell Awakenings, B-Wave, E-Live or EC plan a different line-up each time.
Maybe the nuances are small sometimes, but it is different. And this is great!
We (Mark and Johan, organizers of the B-Wave Festival) try -for example- to pay attention to the (totally) unknown artists, look at our line-up of this year and you'll see what I mean. We do NOT invite them to fill up the "empty gaps" in the line-up, no we really think their music is awesome! We will NEVER invite an artist who makes sh*t music to our opinion, even he/she is world-famous. Look at Alienna, finally a female artist and she has her unique and great style. Three years ago we had Space Megalithe from France. No-one had heard from them. Well they blew everyone's socks off! Last year we had Carbon Based Lifeforms, well, some complained that they were too "modern"/"trancy" etc. So, what does one want? This year we feature Michael Stearns who hasn't set foot on European ground since 2003 ! AND it's a fully surround performance as well with cinematic projection (the venue also is a cinema). Isn't that unique? In the US he is renown for his surround recordings btw.
Fixing a fine line-up is a difficult task. Ask any organizer Smile There's so much to take into account!


Yes but again, someone has decide if he or she wants to spend that amount of money on it every time or the total time of travelling. Think of the total price point not the fact that your acts are great or not.
BruecknerAmbient - Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:48 pm
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REWO Records - Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:52 pm
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The World is a Stage.
REWO Records - Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:53 pm
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BTW I don't want to get my tickets as a cause/result an event has to be cancelled or not.
B-Wave - Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:31 pm
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Great news: the festival will take place!
REWO Records - Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:38 pm
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« B-Wave » wrote:
Great news: the festival will take place!


That's good news!
dronescape - Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:49 pm
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That's good news -- I had been looking forward not only to Michael Stearns but also to Friet met Stoverij in the snack bar next door...

Stephen
Daniel - Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:37 pm
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« dronescape » wrote:
That's good news -- I had been looking forward not only to Michael Stearns but also to Friet met Stoverij in the snack bar next door...

Stephen


That's very good news on the festival.... and for the Friet met Stoverij industry.
BruecknerAmbient - Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:32 pm
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« B-Wave » wrote:
Great news: the festival will take place!


Excellent!!! Good luck with everything!

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waveman2.3 - Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:30 pm
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Stay tuned !! Waveman plays music from the musicians performing on both festivals in two hours on monday 15th Also unreleased ! http://emportal.info/viewtopic.php?t=13428

See Yah, Waveman
dronescape - Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:50 pm
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« Daniel » wrote:
« dronescape » wrote:
That's good news -- I had been looking forward not only to Michael Stearns but also to Friet met Stoverij in the snack bar next door...

Stephen


That's very good news on the festival.... and for the Friet met Stoverij industry.


I wholeheartedly agree.

Image

Stephen
waveman2.3 - Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:48 am
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Twice as nice to see you again Stephen Smile
Bert - Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:53 pm
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« dronescape » wrote:
« Daniel » wrote:
« dronescape » wrote:
That's good news -- I had been looking forward not only to Michael Stearns but also to Friet met Stoverij in the snack bar next door...

Stephen


That's very good news on the festival.... and for the Friet met Stoverij industry.


I wholeheartedly agree.

Image

Stephen


Stephen, I bet you also love to eat (self-made) Limburgs zoervleisj from where I live....
dronescape - Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:33 pm
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Bert knows me... Smile

Yummy!

Stephen

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