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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:34 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

I seem to be beating a dead horse that I don't want to beat. I was trying to move the point in a broader direction but here's not really the place for it. Sorry Ian, certainly not my intention to make you feel depressed - one of the problems with not visiting this place very often is an ignorance of taboo subjects. The last sentence in my previous post stands to be reiterated.
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You calling me a dead horse lol ?

That's why I put depressed in quotation marks - I wasn't being all together serious!

Just trying to give a balanced reply to some of your opinions. We're always looking at ways to improve Musiczeit and we do take seriously your comments. Rest assured we will continue to improve the site and let you know what's happening when we're at liberty to do so.

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With a depressed world economy at present, I still
think price needs to be in the conversation. My job is
about to be eliminated after 15 years of service, so price is
EVERYTHING to me.

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« ianboddy » wrote:
You calling me a dead horse lol ?


Neigh lad, I'm the ex-Yorkshire man!

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I think it's a difficult thing to say if one way is best.
Selling twice as many albums at half the price is better for everyone really (as in it doesn't cost anything much to sell double these days as there is no real product) BUT can you sell double? With CD's it is an infinitely harder business and requires risk, but risk can get artists known just outside a niche market. Having said that, who is going to risk their money on promoting these artists?
very tricky.
Personally, I buy from artists I like and respect at whatever the going rate is, but I don't perhaps try as much out that I don't know due to having a certain amount to spend and when it's gone, it's gone. I also prefer physical objects so my money goes to CD's more often than not (and I have sold more CD's of my last album than downloads so far and I thought I'd struggle to sell all the CD's but they are gone) so the market is a hard one to play right now..

Ian certainly deserves a lot of respect for keeping this music out there though
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One small point : Boomkat charge the same for MP3 as FLAC. I like that. Others do too. I noticed that with some of my stuff.
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« ianboddy » wrote:
You calling me a dead horse lol ?

That's why I put depressed in quotation marks - I wasn't being all together serious!

Just trying to give a balanced reply to some of your opinions. We're always looking at ways to improve Musiczeit and we do take seriously your comments. Rest assured we will continue to improve the site and let you know what's happening when we're at liberty to do so.

Cheers,

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Improve Musiczeit ???

Well then offer CD-R's as well, it's the same shit as a download, but I don't have to spend so much time in getting the music from pc to a disc,yes I still play music via a stereo system not a pc. And the covers are printed the way I like it, with previous downloads I've wasted an enormous amount of inkt.
Count up those costs and you'll end up with a more expensive product than a CD-R.

PS: any good product is expensive. Rolling Eyes

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Can anybody answer me this. Are cdr's any likely to last any longer than they were when they were first sold? say ten years ago. I have fair few cdr's, not copies, but releases such as the original cutted scenes by rainbow serpent, which I bought from SMD, which are not just 60 minutes of hiss. This is not a dig at SMD/musiczeit, just a query really, as I know nowadays you can back a cdr up onto a computer, but for me these were pre computer days. If they are going to deteriate, it just seems wrong to sell them for as much. Mind you in the late 90's we were paying £15 for a cdr Ouch!
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Can anybody answer me this. Are cdr's any likely to last any longer than they were when they were first sold? say ten years ago. I have fair few cdr's, not copies, but releases such as the original cutted scenes by rainbow serpent, which I bought from SMD, which are not just 60 minutes of hiss. This is not a dig at SMD/musiczeit, just a query really, as I know nowadays you can back a cdr up onto a computer, but for me these were pre computer days. If they are going to deteriate, it just seems wrong to sell them for as much. Mind you in the late 90's we were paying £15 for a cdr Ouch!
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I would imagine modern CDRs are likely to last longer than early manifestations, however I would not trust to luck. We'd recommend people keep (and backup) all their original FLAC files purchased from MusicZeit so they can create another CDr for their personal use if/when needed.

If you have albums *only* on CDR I'd recommend you rip them losslessly asap as a backup.

CD attrition rate is less. Only 3 or 4 of my 1500 or so CDs had succomb to "CD rot".

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« Petrus » wrote:
yes I still play music via a stereo system not a pc.


Plenty of hardware players such as here http://flac.sourceforge.net/links.html#hardware will play FLAC files directly on your stereo system, probably sounding better than a CD player.

Especially if you start to play 24 bit FLAC, as The Beatles have released...

http://www.thebeatles.com/#/news/Last_Apple_USBs_available_in

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As far as I know "the Beatles" haven't released anything lately, 2 out 4 are dead, remember. Rolling Eyes
It's the "record company" that rereleases everything, big money you know.
But at least the "big" record companies offer us a decent product.
All those download companies just want to cash in, they just don't care what happens on the other end of the downstream. Twisted Evil

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« oddentity » wrote:
Can anybody answer me this. Are cdr's any likely to last any longer than they were when they were first sold? say ten years ago. I have fair few cdr's, not copies, but releases such as the original cutted scenes by rainbow serpent, which I bought from SMD, which are not just 60 minutes of hiss. This is not a dig at SMD/musiczeit, just a query really, as I know nowadays you can back a cdr up onto a computer, but for me these were pre computer days. If they are going to deteriate, it just seems wrong to sell them for as much. Mind you in the late 90's we were paying £15 for a cdr Ouch!
Rob


Burn baby burn, burn them to any backup you like just save your gems.
Any CD-R, no matter what they tell you, expires within 10 years.
A tip, preserved in darkness they will "live" longer.

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-CDr's-
I have too many 2-10 years old CDr's with "rare" music, all purchased, independent releases no longer playing, skipping or audio noisy.
True, new technology might last longer but I won't go through another 10 year cycle to find out. So I no longer buy CDr release, full stop.

This is where lossless downloads are a safer bet, saved on Raid1 drives, they'll be there for a long time.
I'll chase a CD release forever, if it exists, but I'll take a flac download over a CDr every time.
My suggestion, get dbpoweamp which is more persistent than EAC and save what's left of those CDr's.
And don't buy anymore.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:17 am    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

« Petrus » wrote:
As far as I know "the Beatles" haven't released anything lately, 2 out 4 are dead, remember. Rolling Eyes


*falls off chair*

Holy s**t, When did this happen?! Shocked

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It's the "record company" that rereleases everything, big money you know.


Boo! Hiss!

« Petrus » wrote:
But at least the "big" record companies offer us a decent product.


And engage in notorious price fixing scandals, but never mind.

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All those download companies just want to cash in, they just don't care what happens on the other end of the downstream. Twisted Evil


Too true. I had a rep from Polydor on my doorstep only last night, wanting to make sure my CD collection was in good condition.

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Improve Musiczeit ???

Well then offer CD-R's as well, it's the same shit as a download, but I don't have to spend so much time in getting the music from pc to a disc


Well, this can't work, can it?

At the end of the day any data is a file, be it from CDr, download or CD.

It's like telling iTunes store to sell CDr's, and if they did, the next problem will be the extra packaging/postage cost...

For me MZ works bloody well - I saw Shreeve's Zoom & Boddy Trinity on the Portal, within 2 hours I had them, same for almost 200 flacs I got so far.
Nothing beats that.
The main thing is we all know what we buy upfront from MZ.

As for flac/wav costing the same as mp3 it is not fare asking, the files are 5-10 times bigger and server storage is not free.
Beatport, Junodownload, etc. all have a premium for "wav handling" which is fare.
No point comparing sites selling other types of music, this is pure EM here.

Should a 24 bit album sell for the same as an mp3, it's only data anyway, but my ISP keeps track of my volume traffic...there is always a premium to pay somewhere.

For all the advice on how it should be done, why not open your own facility, maybe do a survey first on how much people are willing to pay & 4 what.
We'll try to support it if the service is good.

I thought of doing it but don't have the balls.

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