-Digital Medium Phobia?-

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Posted: 19.04.2008 - 22:59  ·  #9
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Posted: 19.04.2008 - 23:16  ·  #10
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You have to admit that the Internet has allowed the common music listener a much easier way to discover underground talent and non-mainstream music. Which means that there's a larger chance that those artists will gain recognition.


Also true. There are both negative and positive aspects of it. It's a two-ended stick as we say here in Russia.
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Posted: 20.04.2008 - 00:17  ·  #11
About the only things I miss from LPs or CDs is the artwork, and the fact that you could hold the album of music in your hands. I think the digital delivery system of music (iPods, mp3 players) is superior today from what a 17 year old had in the 1960s: some crappy mono transistor radio with a 2 inch speaker. In the late 70s came the 10 pound blasters seen on the shoulders of people walking down the street. Only the rich kids had parents with hi fidelity stereos at home.

Listening critically to an album of music takes time, and the competition today for a person's time is much fiercer than 20 or 30 years ago: cable/satellite television, with its hundreds of channels, satellite radio, sports, homework, jobs, etc. When I was younger there were only 3 channels on TV and they went off the air at midnight. So where do many people find the time to listen to music? Often it is in their car, which is not great for fidelity or concentrating on the musical content. IPods offer everyone a chance to listen to music when they can find the time, and the fidelity is decent. It might not be as good as your $1500 system in your home, but it's a lot better than portable players in the past.

What I find interesting is the stereo field is totally different with earbuds as compared to the spatial presence of separate speakers. Do producers take that in account when mixing a recording?

I think digital music is what has spared EM an early death. Berlin, ambient, experimental, all the out of the mainstream music finds new listeners everyday because of the internet. My digital sales are soon to surpass my CD sales.

Some of you may groan about the compressed mp3 medium, but you forget; like all the mediums of the past, MP3s will be replaced as technology advances. It probably won't be too many years.
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Posted: 20.04.2008 - 00:19  ·  #12
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There is a seed of reason in what you're saying, but calling other's thoughts bullshit smells of arrogance and rudeness.


"Calling bullshit on", FYI, is an idiomatic expression for disagreeing with a specific part, similar to "not buying it"
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Posted: 20.04.2008 - 10:33  ·  #13
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There is a seed of reason in what you're saying, but calling other's thoughts bullshit smells of arrogance and rudeness.


"Calling bullshit on", FYI, is an idiomatic expression for disagreeing with a specific part, similar to "not buying it"
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Posted: 21.04.2008 - 19:35  ·  #14
Analogy:

Downloading digital music within the confines on one's house versus the "communal" experience of going to a brick and mortar store to peruse, hang out with others, and buy the concrete product.

Is it analogous to...

Owning a state of the art DVD/satellite system at home and either buying/renting "on demand" new releases or renting from deepdiscount, et al. or buying DVDs from DeepDiscount, Amazon.com, et al.

Rationale behind the analogy:

Flawed but reasonably pure....

Digital download person rejects the community/shared experience of going to a store, experience the sights, sounds, the tangible "feel" and packaging of the product in favor of ease of delivery, cost, and 24-hr access to a wider pool of options (i.e. CD titles). While the debate of sound quality of downloads vs. CD-Rs or redbook CDs will go on forever, for "most" non-audio-philes, the two media systems are interchangeable.

The person who never attends movies in theaters any more is choosing the other option (satellite on-demand, pay-per-view, online renting or buying) for some, not all, of the same reasons. The biggest similarities are the decision by the consumer to forego the communal/shared experience in favor of convenience and, in the case, of a premium home theater system, a perhaps better viewing experience (no cell phones, no talkers, no kids, etc. other distractions). The analogy is slightly flawed because the high-end home theater may produce a better cinematic experience for the viewer than most movie theaters, esp. if there is not one nearby with stadium seating, Dolby DTS, etc. However, the mp3 downloads are, arguably, not as good in musical reproduction as their redbook counterparts.

In each case, these commonalities are possible:

The CD buyer/movie theater patron is seeking more than the "net result" i.e. they want the total experience which accomanies the raw product. Whether it's the atmosphere of a music store, holding the liner notes and artwork in your hand, the interfacing woth friends or other fans...or in the case of the movie goer, the unique impossible-to-imitate "feeling" of sitting in a darkened auditorium with strangers to experience a movie on a huge screen...not to mention the sights and sounds that accompany that (not the movie, but smells from the concession stand, other people's laughter, screams, etc.)

Concluding: What seems to be at issue here is the investment by the consumer. The patron of brick and mortar stores doesn't mind if the selection isn't as good, if parking is a hassle, if prices are higher, etc. and ditto for the movie goer, who will pay high admission and ridiculous concession prices and drive maybe 30 to 45 minutes to get to a quality viewing venue. These people are "invested" in this process because it gives them something extra.

It's not about whether the home DVD viewer or music downloader is LESS invested in the movie/music "per se," i.e. the music itself stripped of artifice or the film regardless of how it is delivered to the senses. (Hell, I LOVE my DVDs and yet I go to films in theaters as often as I can). To infer one subgroup is ignorant or less cultural or less in touch with the artistic merits of a particular delivery system is at the least spurious. Yes, in some cases, it may be true, but there are also people who go to movies and "buy CDs" who treat the experience as nothing more than an afterthought. They are a whole other group that comes into play (not in this argument, though).

My prediction? CDs and brick and mortar will never ever go away completely. Not possible, at least not within 100 years. We would have to see an almost mind-boggling shift not just in technology but in marketing, sales, and the way we "buy" things, period. When we no longer have any kind of cash registers and credit cards and people tele-commute in the millions rather than go to work and seldom leave their houses at all, only then may we finally get there (and thank god I will be dead and buried by then).

Anyway, just my random thoughts. Carry on...nothing to see here anymore.
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Posted: 22.04.2008 - 19:20  ·  #15
Naive? Or just in touch with the youth of today? I dont think this forum has many 15 year old general music consumers. It's a specialist forum for music that hasnt developed too much in recent years.

On the topic of youth, a new generation, new media, consumerism, "internet-itis", etc. There are many ways the internet is great. But I think the download generation of today and tomorrow will miss out on things that us oldies have fond memories of; making an effort to find new music, rummaging the bins and print catalogues of specialist (or general) music stores, waiting for packages to be delivered, making a choice of which LP or CD to buy because they are not free... There are some virtues out there that new music consumers are not getting to experience. I am not a psychologist who can say those virtues are all good, but I like to believe that patience pays off.

In the early 90s, I got a kick from ordering CDs from Sweden without having heard the songs before. They were described as "electronic" like JMJ and Kraftwerk. I took their word for it, and laid out about 55 euros for 3 CDs. Thankfully, their description held water; it was 3 albums by Laser Dance. Hate 'em or love 'em, at least they were not dark goth electro-pop! The feeling of discovering more of the type of music I enjoyed, in a time when such music was non-present in media and general shops, is a feeling I doubt I will have again.

Today? Just download samples, and if you dont like it, you are not forced to pay anytyhing. The internet makes it very easy, cheap and fast. It has contributed to the mentioned "lack of deep interest in real music" concept that was mentioned in the thread. We have internet-itis around us; an "illness" where people are impatient, uncritical, getting information overload, and develops short short attention spans.

There are some sides of the internet I dont like, but sometimes your only option is to behave pragmatic according to the realities.
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Posted: 22.04.2008 - 21:21  ·  #16
I liked the thoughts of the author... is it as simple as 'youth drives the market' - that might be a little too simple, but then again, there is a good amount of truth to it.

Music, like all things... change. Period. End of story. :)

At the moment mp3's are where it's at... it's been coming for a long time now - and it's finally hit critical mass. I'm probably not the only one here that remembers the heyday of mp3.com and discovering artists and friends there... Anyway... CD's are in decline and will continue to go... DVD's are also beginning to decline (replaced briefly by Blu-ray, but I think that's only a temporary step before files over the internet take them over).

I think Altus mentioned the general idea of don't forget who's reading this... we're all music lovers... to the point of actually visiting a forum discussing music. Especially this particular form of music... we're a very small minority of the general population. There's nothing wrong with this of course! (Otherwise, why would I drop by from time to time?) But we're far from the majority of the music buying public.

wow - I'm rambling.

Yes - it saddened me when the vinyl record stores gradually expanded that tiny little cd section into 80% (then 100% of the store) - which had a bonus effect of making used record stores a little more enjoyable for a few years for at least my benefit.

Yes - it saddened me when all of my favorite record stores disappeared one by one years later.

I think the internet is the coolest thing - I've met musicians I would have never ever met before - have formed many great friendships - discovered music that would have never made it to central Illlinois.

I really should go back and edit this - but I'm out of time...
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