Looking for rare Vangelis album

 
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Re: Looking for rare Vangelis album

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Posted: 27.10.2007 - 23:45  ·  #25
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I agree with you that the prices I mentioned are way too high. But I did not make them up, they can be found at http://www.gemm.com


Wow!
In that page The dragon goes from $20, to $93 !
The one you're looking for at $138
An there's even a Japanese version of
2002 Fifa World Cup Anthem at $205 !!!
:shock:
Is that The Fantasy island, or something...????

I seriously doubt there's much merchandise movement over there, Though...
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hypothesis & dragon

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Posted: 28.10.2007 - 21:41  ·  #26
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Why forget it? Although it is a strange story, I would not call it sad. Back in those days (when there was no Internet and illegal downloads) people wanted "illegal" music just as much as they want it today. Just look to yourself: when you are a huge fan of an artist, and you are able to "acquire" some unofficial recordings, wouldn't you like to have them?
Some artists have a rather relaxed attitude towards bootlegging their music. They rather think that bootlegging their music is a real honour (because it shows that your music is wanted!) than making a fuss about it.

Yes, yes, of course I know fans are generally happy with bootlegs whatever the content, the quality or the story behind. However I think here it's something special. Look at Vangelis' reaction!!! did he fight like that against those Blade Runner and others bootlegs? No he didn't. The artist may indeed tolerate underground bootlegs whether it's from live material or rare out of print early records, and like you say he can even feel proud to be pirated that way, but...
what about fake products of robbed recordings distributed and spread on the legal market like if they were true albums (see confusion!) ??
So, yes, it's a sad story from the artist's perspective: Hypo&dragon was clearly an attempt by the bootlegger to cheat the fans and then to ruine Vangelis' artistic reputation (which is worse than only making money fraudulently on the name "Vangelis").

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I can't help but think that Vangelis was unpleasantly surprised when they were released and people actually bought them. He probably would have liked to make some money out of them after all.

You miss the point, Vangelis' anger had much more to do with "tainted artistic reputation" than "a question of money"...

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The fact that the albums were released on CD indicates that they have some musical value (at least to others...).

Nope, musical value has nothing to do here. They were released on CD only because bootleggers do know that die-hard fans will always buy bootlegs (even the crappiest ones, includind bootleg reissues of bootlegs! :mrgreen: ).

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Sorry Big V. but I don't think you will miss the money you didn't receive from my buy...

Well, does he care anyway? :oops:
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Re: hypothesis & dragon

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Posted: 29.10.2007 - 16:56  ·  #27
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Why forget it? Although it is a strange story, I would not call it sad. Back in those days (when there was no Internet and illegal downloads) people wanted "illegal" music just as much as they want it today. Just look to yourself: when you are a huge fan of an artist, and you are able to "acquire" some unofficial recordings, wouldn't you like to have them?
Some artists have a rather relaxed attitude towards bootlegging their music. They rather think that bootlegging their music is a real honour (because it shows that your music is wanted!) than making a fuss about it.

Yes, yes, of course I know fans are generally happy with bootlegs whatever the content, the quality or the story behind. However I think here it's something special. Look at Vangelis' reaction!!! did he fight like that against those Blade Runner and others bootlegs? No he didn't. The artist may indeed tolerate underground bootlegs whether it's from live material or rare out of print early records, and like you say he can even feel proud to be pirated that way, but...
what about fake products of robbed recordings distributed and spread on the legal market like if they were true albums (see confusion!) ??
So, yes, it's a sad story from the artist's perspective: Hypo&dragon was clearly an attempt by the bootlegger to cheat the fans and then to ruine Vangelis' artistic reputation (which is worse than only making money fraudulently on the name "Vangelis").


When you look at it like that, I think you may be right. But only if it is possible, in retrospect, to prove that these recordings were actually "stolen and released" with no other objective than to damage Vangelis' reputation.
Is there historic data to support that? Or is it possible that there also was a pure moneymaking objective? And I have never felt cheated by these recordings (well, maybe just after I bought them...). From my point of view, these recordings have only made my respect for the man increase. It's a bit like the first Kraftwerk albums (only available as bootlegs, I think...). These recordings are very far from the "commercial" sound that made them big, but within themselves, they are very interesting musically. It shows another side of a musician that you know only from a certain (filtered by the record company) sound or style. Ah well, I haven't chosen my alias "Obscurist" for nothing...

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I can't help but think that Vangelis was unpleasantly surprised when they were released and people actually bought them. He probably would have liked to make some money out of them after all.

You miss the point, Vangelis' anger had much more to do with "tainted artistic reputation" than "a question of money"...


Okay, but was his reputation actually damaged by them? Again, in retrospect, I don't really think so. But I think he might have been p*ssed off at the time if he really thought that the recordings were too cr@p to release. Still, I maintain that he could have erased them there and then, so in a way he is also responsible for what happened to them. He was no novice in the music business at the time, so he must have known to what length bootleggers will go to get their content...

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The fact that the albums were released on CD indicates that they have some musical value (at least to others...).

Nope, musical value has nothing to do here. They were released on CD only because bootleggers do know that die-hard fans will always buy bootlegs (even the crappiest ones, includind bootleg reissues of bootlegs! :mrgreen: ).


Here we disagree, because I know for a fact that there are a lot of people out there that actually dig those recordings. From a musical point of view I mean. In my circle of friends, there are at least 4 people who really like them. All of them musicians, actually...

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Sorry Big V. but I don't think you will miss the money you didn't receive from my buy...

Well, does he care anyway? :oops:


Not anymore... 😉
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