"old" vs "new"

 
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Posted: 05.02.2008 - 06:30  ·  #1
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Heheh. No they don't, tho. Far as I've been able to tell, there is our "old" EM scene, and the "new" electronica scene, which have close to zero overlap. Y'kno, those circles where Massive Attack, Basement Jaxx, Bj
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Posted: 05.02.2008 - 13:14  ·  #2
(No, I don't mind splitting this off.)

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It's only natural that "younger" music listeners will be exposed to music that is "on the surface" or "newer". It takes more time and sometimes more efford to dig deeper. If a music fan is musicially curious and adventurous they will seek and discover more obscure and older styles of music.


True. Yet, I've been hanging around TD & related fan forums for 6.5 years now and have AFAIK always been the youngest guy in the audience by at least a few years' margin! You'd think someone else would start discovering this stuff too. (OK, Pertou probably counts - he's still older than me but started later, right Jacob?)

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You listed some of the most popular and well known artists of the last 15-20 years who make music with electronics. That makes me wonder how far you've dug into the "modern" music of the last 20 years. This is not a swipe at you. I just think that it's just as imporant to remember that TD, Jarre, Vangelis, KS were creating new sounds.. 30 years ago.


Since you ask, I actually haven't dug all that deep into 90s music. Diving headfirst into TD & their mile-long discography pretty much at the beginning of my life as a music fan kinda does that. I only started cluing in on the entire big picture about a year ago when I put my collection up on RateYourMusic (right here), before that I didn't even kno Bj
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Posted: 05.02.2008 - 13:20  ·  #3
And cutting to M@kz for a further tangent (hope you don't mind delocating this too?)

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I think that this "laziness" is a direct consequence of the amount of information that is available, and how easy it is to get it. The problem you mention exists beyond music. It is a serious threat to general knowledge. Because of the Internet (i.e. Google) younger people have almost stopped thinking for themselves, because they have come to rely on the fact that if they want to know something, it is available on the Internet. So the need to remember stuff is gone. The same goes for music. There is so much available at a mouse click that especially the younger generation (the iPod kids) doesn't bother anymore to go and find something new. They rely on their newsgroups and RSS feeds for that.

This process is a serious threat to intelligence, I'm afraid.


Threat to intelligence in general? Nah. We just need information handling skills. There is no need for everyone to kno everything about everything (something that was still possible some 500 years ago!), it is perfectly sufficient for the majority to kno the basics & where to look for more information, and for the experts to in addition to master their own subject, whatever it may be.

Music, tho? Yes, it is probably a risk to obscure genres, due to a lack of general academic organization of things (also, Wikipedia's notability policies ;)), and I'd also say it's in the end what's resulting in the industry's general decline. Hobbyists, collectors, "true fans" have always been a minority, and these days the general music-buying public has some much stuff so easily available that there's little need for them to keep buying the same stuff as the previous group (which I understand to have still been the case around the 70s?) Plus our society is kind of music-saturated now, compared to the 40s or something, so there isn't, either, a whole new generation to start any new moovments as huge as say, rock.

Music is far from"dead" over, but I'm pretty sure it's close to "all major innovations done" over. Compare with fine arts: can you name anything huge that's happened since the 60s? And yet around the previous turn of the century whole new genres were founded about yearly.
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Posted: 05.02.2008 - 17:48  ·  #4
it's all just music, so just play what you like. Never cared what other people were in to, in or out of fashion, never looked back to a golden age...it's bullshit invented by middle aged people to make themselves feel better ;)
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Posted: 07.02.2008 - 01:05  ·  #5
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it's all just music, so just play what you like. Never cared what other people were in to, in or out of fashion, never looked back to a golden age...it's bullshit invented by middle aged people to make themselves feel better ;)


Good point, I'm an old timer and enjoy what I like. I've been put in my place by many a young musical connoisseur. And I don't have a problem with it.. ;) :D
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Posted: 07.02.2008 - 16:33  ·  #6
The problem with categorizing anything is that people have a tendency to ignore things that they think fall outside of their prefered category.

Genres tend to restrict people and that's a shame

I'm just very happy that I am quite open minded (my music collection contains just about every genre). I just like music more than anything in the world and I try to judge each composition on it's own, seperately from it's "genre".

This way I am happy when I find something I like, in stead of angry when something is added to 'my' genre which i don't feel belongs there
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Posted: 07.02.2008 - 17:20  ·  #7
Its like that old saying, which goes something like this:

"Do you know much about art"?
"No, but I know what I like"
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Posted: 07.02.2008 - 17:54  ·  #8
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The problem with categorizing anything is that people have a tendency to ignore things that they think fall outside of their prefered category.

Genres tend to restrict people and that's a shame

I'm just very happy that I am quite open minded (my music collection contains just about every genre). I just like music more than anything in the world and I try to judge each composition on it's own, seperately from it's "genre".

This way I am happy when I find something I like, in stead of angry when something is added to 'my' genre which i don't feel belongs there


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