A question about music magazines

 
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Posted: 20.03.2007 - 21:50  ·  #1
First of all, I want to go on record again in stating my admiration and respect for all the folks involved with E-dition, which I think was a very good magazine and I only wish it had caught on more....

which brings me to my question(s). As someone who also has made an attempt to publish a hard copy magazine (from spring 1997 to fall 1999), and having witnessed the demise of others as well (e/i, Asterism, Dreams Word, Electroambient space - which is now successfully published on the web, and even New Age Voice to some degree) I would love to read as many opinions as possible about why a magazine devoted to EM, ambient, space, or new age simply cannot make it. There are successful magazines in semi-related genres, such as XLR8R, and magazines like The Wire that may feature some music, but it's hard to believe that no matter how good the magazine is (E-dition was very well done, as was e/i), it just never catches on.

For myself and Wind and Wire, I simply ran out of money. I was caught in the following paradox:

The only way I could increase circulation was to make the magazine "bigger and spashier" and start printing in full-color.

The only way I could increase revenue enough to make that happen was to get more ads from labels and artists.

The only way to raise more ad revenue was to increase circulation.

and now we're back to the top! (sigh) :(

Some questions to get you thinking, for example....

What would it take for you to support a magazine through subscribing (as a fan) or advertising (as an artist, label, etc.)? How large a circulation would it have to had? Full color necessary? How many pages? A narrow spectrum of music covered or a wide one? Non-music but related ads or articles okay? You see where I am headed here.

Or feel free simply to let me know why you think magazines are doomed from the get-go. Is it because we're so obsessed with the digital domain now and webzines are free? If that is the case, how frustrating is it that many webzines also go away? (the reason for the latter is, IMO, obvious...for those that don't know this, every webzine I have ever known of is done for free by volunteers as a labor of love, which means that any sane rational person eventually burns out after a few years, since it ceases to be fun any more...which means I passed "rational" a long time ago since I'm still volunteering my time to at least two sites and have been writing reviews for free since 1997).

I'll enjoy reading any and all opinions on these topics, so I hope this has at least piqued your interest ebough to respond.

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Posted: 20.03.2007 - 22:09  ·  #2
Good question. And as much as I like the web, somehow a printed magazine still offers something extra to me. That's why I subscribed to quite a few EM magazines over the years: Sonic Report (which was at least as good as E-dition, IMHO), KLEMblad (since issue 21) and lately E-dition.

KLEM had a pretty good subscribtion record, IIRC. Yes, it looked dull, and the content wasn't always well thought-of (sometimes it was an issue full of reviews and then for months and months there were only interviews and background stories), but I think the people lied it because of the excellent reputation KLEM (and Frits in particular) had in the EM scene.

As for E-dition, first of all I personally think they never should have gone bilingual. Making a magazine is hard enough in one language, let alone if you have to translate everything too. Was that the cause of the demise? I doubt so, but still, if it had been only in Dutch I assume it would have been cheaper to make. Besides this, I have no clue why not at least 80% of the EM community had a subscription to this magazine. It looked good, it contained decent quality information and had some fine reviewers as well. Could it be because it was related to Groove? Don't know. Was it too expensive? Perhaps, I think it wasn't.

Anyway, we'll probably have to accept that EM has a very small fanbase, and that there's just not enough interest in printed information (anymore).

Any new magazine that shows it's taking things seriously, can count on my support. But that's just me...
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Posted: 20.03.2007 - 22:22  ·  #3
Mags like The Wire are created as a 'product' they could be about any subject, the backers bought into a music based mag, it could just as easily have been womens hair.
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Posted: 21.03.2007 - 19:16  ·  #4
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Mags like The Wire are created as a 'product' they could be about any subject, the backers bought into a music based mag, it could just as easily have been womens hair.


I used to like "The Wire", a very interesting mix and always got me going out and buying something new. Then it got stuck in a rut of always recommending the same old stuff (Jap Noise, Free Jazz etc etc) and became ever so predictable. I gave up on it. Now I know what happened.
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Posted: 21.03.2007 - 20:08  ·  #5
I haven't been on the business-side of E-dition, but our goal always has been to make a magazine as best & professional as possible; after a while we even started printing the magazine instead of scanning the pages, so its overall look became even bettter; some people asked about a bigger magazine or the content/cover in color; fact was he always had too much material for too less pages, the latter being restricted by reasons of work, postal costs etc.; we have asked our listeners how much one would pay extra when the cover would be in color, but we only got very low response on that (the same goes for the responses on the free raffles of cd's we had a few times in the mag.)

A goal for myself & the mag. had been close & regular communication with its members, to hear their feedback, opinions etc. but nothing like that happened.

The last 1,5 years I and Kees Aerts did a lot of troubles and efforts to expand the number of members worldwide, but after a short grow we experienced they started to drop by whatever reason...
The fact the magazine has ended still feels as a huge personal loss, also as I was the only one of the writers who only contributed to E-dition.

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Posted: 21.03.2007 - 20:58  ·  #6
If I may respond with a personal example. I used to receive Dave Law's monthly SMD catalogue (yes, not strictly a mag but the principal's the same) and would read it from cover to cover. Now it is only available as a download. I download it every month but I haven't read one of them.
In the case of e-dition I believe that the direct link to a retail business was a factor in it's decline. As much as Kees tried stress it's independance.
I think it is nigh on impossible to do an EM mag and make it commercially viable. And by that I mean actually break even. Too small an 'audience'. And an audience that is far too selective and opinionated 😉
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Posted: 22.03.2007 - 00:08  ·  #7
The answer is simple but taboo :

To produce a magazine (hardcopy) successfully you must have a healthy financial basis. Only with a stable ground you can build up a production and put creativity in it. Mentioning the word commerce often causes mixed feelings and might even give you the wrong impression however it is essential because without a commercial touch it is impossible to survive. So far almost all magazines have disappeared caused by lack of revenue which is a shame but understandable. Before starting an expensive adventure one should clearly plan everything and also realize the dangers and the risks involved. The combination of E-Dition's sampler was a step ahead and distinguished them from other Mags unfortunately it was not enough to continue. To make a long story short : the risk should be carried by external parties (advertisers, sponsors, members etc.) and not by the people that are responsible for the creative part of the job. Sponsoring sounds like an awful word but is desparately needed in order to LIVE and survive.
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Posted: 22.03.2007 - 09:24  ·  #8
Quote by Vignoble @ Co.
The answer is simple but taboo :

To produce a magazine (hardcopy) successfully you must have a healthy financial basis. Only with a stable ground you can build up a production and put creativity in it. Mentioning the word commerce often causes mixed feelings and might even give you the wrong impression however it is essential because without a commercial touch it is impossible to survive. So far almost all magazines have disappeared caused by lack of revenue which is a shame but understandable. Before starting an expensive adventure one should clearly plan everything and also realize the dangers and the risks involved. The combination of E-Dition's sampler was a step ahead and distinguished them from other Mags unfortunately it was not enough to continue. To make a long story short : the risk should be carried by external parties (advertisers, sponsors, members etc.) and not by the people that are responsible for the creative part of the job. Sponsoring sounds like an awful word but is desparately needed in order to LIVE and survive.


You're on to something here. It is my personal opinion too that (especially in this day and age with all the internet competition), you should start a magazine with the sole determination to make money. That's it, discussion closed.

Let me elaborate on that before people start taking out their whips...

No matter how good your intentions are, a special interest magazine for any narrow group of readers has only the slimmest chance of survival, because it will always look like a school-newspaper. You need big bucks to introduce a new magazine, because it has to be flashy, and full-color, and on shiny paper, and have professional content. This does not mean that I'm putting down any effort by the creators of fanzines (f.i. I was one of the first subscribers to E-Dition, heck, I even contributed some reviews...), it's just a general observation.

I like paper magazines too, because I can read them anywhere I like (mostly on my couch, listening to some relevant music in the meantime), but I also have to admit that I gather more than 80% of my desired information on the Internet these days.

And there are some substantial benefits to an internet-based magazine (I'll mention just one: searchability). So, if you decide to launch a new paper-edition fanzine, I think it would be wise to thoroughly check out the internet competition first, and if it looks like there's a green light there, have a long, hard look at your bank account, because it may be the last time you see your money...

It hardly ever happens that a magazine will hit it off right from the start. The first year (or two) it will struggle big time. It's like Bill's paradox: you need to expand just to stay alive. And you can't because you need more money for that. Even professional publishers kill off new magazines by the shedload, because they won't lift off. And when you have to invest sooooo much time and - your own - money on a new rag, frustration will be your biggest enemy. I think money never was the problem for E-dition, although they did make it very cheap. I think the main reason to give up was time. It is a full-time job to publish a magazine, and if the spoils are too few and too far inbetween, you'll have to make that hard decision sooner or later.

Pity, but logical...
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