Should a computer/laptop be on stage?

 

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Should a computer/laptop be on stage?
Yes
 
11 (35.48%)
No
 
5 (16.13%)
Don't care, as long as it not breaks down
 
15 (48.39%)
 
0 (0%)
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Posted: 19.02.2007 - 16:23  ·  #1
I mean as a part of performing. For me, no! And I voted for that.

Backing CD when I am alone is most preferrable for me. When I played together with Hajo Liese and Till Kopper, there 6 hands on keys and we missed a 7nd one to control the CD-player, let alone a computer.
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Posted: 19.02.2007 - 16:44  ·  #2
Having had vast experience of playing at breakcore gigs, where I personally do not use a laptop, but most artists do, I'd say Macs are bloody useless as they always breaking down on stage. They also seem to produce a lot of background noise. As the current Mac ads say - they are a home machine. PC's are largely reliable.

As for whether they should be there or not - Entity would not be possible without it. John is working ALL the time manipulating stuff on his PC live. I know plenty of people who do astonishing live sets on a laptop, and I know they are live as I've played consecutive nights with them and it's been different.

This is the old synths/real instruments thing all over again. Remember that the musicians union wanted synths banned as they could emulate real instruments. They did not consider them to be instruments even. sound familiar?
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Posted: 19.02.2007 - 18:26  ·  #3
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Having had vast experience of playing at breakcore gigs, where I personally do not use a laptop, but most artists do, I'd say Macs are bloody useless as they always breaking down on stage. They also seem to produce a lot of background noise. As the current Mac ads say - they are a home machine. PC's are largely reliable.

As for whether they should be there or not - Entity would not be possible without it. John is working ALL the time manipulating stuff on his PC live. I know plenty of people who do astonishing live sets on a laptop, and I know they are live as I've played consecutive nights with them and it's been different.

This is the old synths/real instruments thing all over again. Remember that the musicians union wanted synths banned as they could emulate real instruments. They did not consider them to be instruments even. sound familiar?


I'm with you on this one, Steve.

For me it makes no difference what gear is used on stage, as long as the music is good. I once saw a gig by a vague aquaintance of mine under the Budha Building moniker. His music is cool, and the performance I saw was top notch. All he used was a laptop for real-time track editing, thus changing the general direction of his music. He was switching between tracks, adding, muting, FX tweaking, you name it. All improvised on the spot. I had a blast, and so did the rest of the audience.

I will admit that a large analog modular is better looking on stage, but most PA systems will reveal hardly any difference between a "real" hands on synth and a good recording of it on a laptop.

Therefore I voted "...as long as it doesn't break down". Which is a pain every time it happens, and even "real" gear has it's unglorious moments of total failure, leaving the artist in an uncomfortable silence and utter despair... not a pretty sight... :oops:
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Posted: 19.02.2007 - 18:58  ·  #4
when you've got 30 minutes to set up from scratch and then start playing, I wouldn't fancy anybody's analog modular
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Posted: 19.02.2007 - 22:58  ·  #5
I personally don't care that much. I've never performed without my old laptop, although it's more of an easy graphical user interface to quickly choose the midi channels. So I can see what sound is at what midi channel...nothing more actually. :-) You all think I'm probably an old fart who doesn't remember his sounds. Well I'm not that old but you're right about the remembering. :oops:
30 minutes for a sound check/setup gives us the chills...
Unpacking it all is 30 minutes alone.
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Posted: 19.02.2007 - 23:00  ·  #6
I am missing the option where to choose what the computer is running on the stage.

For playbacks I would rather recommend any MP3 player with a good quality file of the needed backing tracks.

But what is the alternative if you have to use softsynths on stage?
If I would like to play a PPG wave like sound, more to the real thing then a Waldorf synth, I would need a PC to run the donationware WaveSim app by Hermann Seib. Or the Waldorf PPG 2.V (also available for the Mac).

But I never did so yet. And it is very unlikely for me. But setting up such instruments is way easier. Your back will like it in the evening.
I had to restart hardware synths on stage myself. But I did not attent a concert where a computer for soft synths crashed.
But I think it is more likely the other way.
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Posted: 20.02.2007 - 10:20  ·  #7
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30 minutes for a sound check/setup gives us the chills...


Soundcheck? Whats that? LOL

I rarely bother soundchecking - as long as it makes a noise.

30 minutes is a long time on a festival bill. You're lucky to get 10 and if you need more, it's your playing time...also you might get fined. What you do is setup off-stage and carry it on. One noise fest i played at we had a massive rig. 5 mixers and 50+ effects pedals alone. We had 100s of cables with labels on with the names of the people we'd borrowed them from! Up and running in 12 minutes.
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Posted: 20.02.2007 - 12:16  ·  #8
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30 minutes for a sound check/setup gives us the chills...


Soundcheck? Whats that? LOL

I rarely bother soundchecking - as long as it makes a noise.

30 minutes is a long time on a festival bill. You're lucky to get 10 and if you need more, it's your playing time...also you might get fined. What you do is setup off-stage and carry it on. One noise fest i played at we had a massive rig. 5 mixers and 50+ effects pedals alone. We had 100s of cables with labels on with the names of the people we'd borrowed them from! Up and running in 12 minutes.


Amazing! Must be a new World Record :lol:

But seriously: especially on festivals, where there is a significant time limit on soundchecks, most of the time the sound can be pretty poor in my own experience. You're lucky when you have an experienced sound-engineer that can do a "soundcheck-on-the-fly" during the first song...

Therefore I prefer gigs where we have all the time we need to build up and soundcheck. Especially with a six-piece band like ours with a drummer, bass-player, guitarist, two keyboardists (one of them is me, and I'm also the residend sound-engineer in the band) and a vocalist.

Full electronic gigs require less soundcheck I guess, because most of it can be done at home...
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