-The End of Hardware?-

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Posted: 06.07.2008 - 12:29  ·  #17
A mouse just should not be on stage, just as the back on a laptop.
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Posted: 06.07.2008 - 12:30  ·  #18
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... if there were no analogue synthesizers, would there be such a thing as EM as we know it today?


Yes I think so. This debate is interesting, but we have to remember that we mix together three different aspects of music-making:
1. Sound generation and alteration
2. Human control/interface
3. Creativity - the use of one
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Posted: 06.07.2008 - 12:31  ·  #19
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let`s face it, a step sequencer line is not live, ok you can tweak it a bit but this can also with a laptop.
repeating notes played by a machine.

don`t get me wrong I love sequences but it is not played live.


but someone using the step sequencer wrongly on stage can be nerve wrecking too.
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Posted: 06.07.2008 - 12:53  ·  #20
maybe we should say that the hardware as we know it know is at the end and will be replaced by another form?
pc or mac/microprocessor based.
see arturia`s origin.
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Posted: 06.07.2008 - 13:25  ·  #21
I'm no good at music hardware, but I think there will always be some audio-specialized hardware, maybe "only" as PC-Card. Sound processing similar to graphic or arithmetic processing usually requires some specialization of the processor itself, i think. Wouldn't mind having some analog synth PC-Card that is controlled by the computer, but for most musicians (in this case, unfortunately that is not electronic musicians) generic sound processors will do.
In April, scientists at University of Rochester published about a compression algorithm, that is a thousand times more compact than MP3. The base is to rebuild the physics of both a clarinet and its player. The latter could also be a source to rebuild "live" sounds for composing, which may open new perspectives at least for commercial music (the emulated singer will surely follow soon ;)).
Not sure, if that's the future we'd like to see. But, hey, I agree to some note on that saying that we only have to invent the emulated audience for that music, and everything will work out nicely.

Edit: the original artical from Rochester University:
http://www.rochester.edu/news/show.php?id=3136
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Posted: 06.07.2008 - 14:42  ·  #22
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You can connect midi-keyboards with knobs and sliders to alter the VSTi settings live.

But these sliders and knobs are hardware, right? ;)


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Showing animations has nothing to do with live playing, only when the music is not played live ;)
about playback with DVD or CD, and than play live over it?
Ever seen Schulze and TD Live? they used tapemachines for the background sounds, why not CD ??

I was talking about beat synced animations.
I can tell you, that I saw way to many EM bands in events faking to play. This is just faking. And not a concert then. Or people doing just a single lead line over a full arrangement that is run from CD/DVD or even an iPod.
Yes, also some eDay musicians were doing things like this.
I saw Kraftwerk faking in 1981 or so doing atleast some tracks as playback. I can tell you, what playback machine they used: a Fostex 4 channel cassette recorder.
I saw TD twice. And in 1982 they were playing many things live, but they also had some backing tracks. It was shocking.
Klaus Schulze had those two Revox tape machines. One for the echo and one for adding backing track. But he was brave enough not to hide them. And he even talked about them. This is a difference from the others. And btw he was one person. TD were 3 and Kraftwerk 4 persons. As a solo musician it is very hard to do a concert without some backing track. But if a group plays, we should assume it is live.
And when I see those newer TD stuff, I am very sure they are not playing 50% of what you actually hear. Ofcause except for the show effect of the woodwinds and percussion.
Edgar did not play a single note on the Mellotron. Why was it there then? Just for show. Show is oK. But why need EF or TD to show instruments on stage they don't even connect to a mixer?
Come on, a concert is a show. But not all shows are concerts.

There are musicians able to play real live. But I see more often fakers and playback musicians on stage.

But again, this is another thread.
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Posted: 06.07.2008 - 15:40  ·  #23
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..faking to play. This is just faking. And not a concert then.


Totally agreed

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Or people doing just a single lead line over a full arrangement that is run from CD/DVD or even an iPod..


please tell me the difference between using a cd/dvd/ipod and using a preprogrammed hardware sequencer?
And do not tell me that lights are nicer, that has nothing to do with music ;)

OK using a hardware sequencer gives you the possibility to alter the sound of a synth manually during the concert, you can do that also with software synths / sequencers
But with only one player you can play only with two hands ;)
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Posted: 06.07.2008 - 16:32  ·  #24
If you use a step sequencer, you can alter so many things live. Atleast HaJo does so when we play live. With a linear real time sequencer this is not possible. So the later is indeed very much like a recordings played in front of the audience. OK, altering the sound is possible with sequencers.

Even if you have to hands, you can do nice live music. I saw Klaus Schulze playing a CS80 with two hands. And no backing tape. Just playing a single sound. I still got the recording from this. This was real live. But then he and Rainer Bloss started to play some "Ampsy" tracks with just some sound effects being live.

And by the way:
there thousends of profesional and amateur piano players doing concerts with two hands. ;)
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