-The intrinsic value of music-

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Posted: 01.07.2007 - 09:17  ·  #17
Thanks for all your reactions! There are some very interesting insights in them.

The funny thing about a column is that it is not a forum entry. It may look like it, but there are some subtle differences. The biggest being, that a column is definite. After the last period (.) it's over. That's it, thank you for reading, goodbye... In this case, there is a possibility to react directly to the column. Personally, I like that. It is surprising to see how much emotion a piece of writing can evoke.

A column is a nice place to (hyper)ventilate a personal opinion or a feeling. And since personal opinions and feelings are, by definition, only a personal truth, there will always be people that disagree with what you write. And that's good, because that indicates that we are still all different.

A column should at least stir up some reactions, because, ideally, it should make people think about their personal truths. There are many ways to achieve that. Because it was the first column, I chose a subject that is rather close to the roots of this community. And no big shockers, just situations that most people can, in a way, relate to.

A column can also be harsh, rude, provocative and controversial. I kept it rather quiet for my first effort, but I can't promise to be as meek and mellow in a next column :twisted:
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Posted: 01.07.2007 - 09:57  ·  #18
I've been a hi-fi nut since 1964, and after a long search for a way of
making CD's sound 'normal' I have come up with ...

Use a 70's amplifier, I'm using an Armstrong 626 which has that 'British' sound.
I also have a Rogers and a Leak, but the Armstrong is wondersul.
Alternatively I use a Marantz 1030 which is an old-style 'console' amp,
but I keep coming back to the Armstrong.

Use old speakers, I'm using Mordaunt-Short's I think from the very early 80's.
Spendor would be good also (not the current models).
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Posted: 01.07.2007 - 11:31  ·  #19
I think that the objective is to try to come back to the sound of the record as the artist intended to do it. A good system should not "alter" the sound, keep as pure and neutral as possible, without a color which could change all record's sound. In one word : be faithful to the artist's (the musician, the mixer, the people doing the mastering, etc...). The record is "warm", "rich in frequencies,....", well the result should be like this on the system.

And as the 70ies records were done on analog tapes, and done for vinyl, this means that the current media (CD, mp3, etc..) may give different results upon the way it was transformed from analog to digital. Therefore I agree in a certain extent that listening to a vinyl record could be more fai!thful (on a good system) than on a CD player.

I have also the feeling that the CD players (the good ones) sound better today than 10 yers ago.

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Posted: 01.07.2007 - 11:34  ·  #20
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Well, there's actually another thing I do not like at all about MP3's: what about the album as a concept? What about a group of songs that constitutes a single work? How many albums do you have or make that are built exactly like a book, where every song is like a chapter of the whole story and can't be separated from the other without losing meaning? I have A LOT. With MP3's it's - for the vast majority of users - like having one chapter of a novel, meaningless, senseless, incapable of giving what it is supposed to give because it is but a fragment of the whole...
And I'm not only referring to concept albums, but also to those so very inspired works where the sequence of tracks itself is as much a source of emotions as the tracks themselves...
Discovery by Oldfield, Kosmonauta by Syrian, Galaxy by Rockets, Oxygene by Jarre and so many more! Kids who download stuff all the time would only get one or two tracks from albums like/similar to these, they would never know the whole story, just a couple of incomprehensible chapters...
I've always thought of an album as a trip: you enter it, move thru it, you get out of it, hopefully enriched by it. This "quantity" fixation, this non-stop flow of music can only be a backdrop for other activities, it could never be the trip that a GOOD album is and should be...


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Excellent thought, Mac! I agree with you completely. MP3 is arguably killing the very idea of a concept album. Or maybe even any album at all, because most young people in my experience do not care about an album, they just download tracks they like. The result is heeps of "albums" by popular artists with one or two heavily promoted "singles" and tons of crappy "filler". I'm afraid this will only get worse with the passage of time. I just hope that some non-commercial genres are not so much affected by this trend.
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Posted: 02.07.2007 - 00:25  ·  #21
Interesting column and I agree with most of the things, not all though.
It could be that these youngsters wanted to have a good way of listening to their favorite music while on the bus and still have one hell of a music system back at home.
I can't think of a better way/sound then a high bitrate MP3 music for travelling.
I consider myself quite a sound/music purist myself having a nice setup at home but I personally don't mind the MP3 quality when I drive to work (and not having to switch CDs constantly).
Sadly the true story of most of these youngsters (I'm 34 so I guess I'm stuck in the middle of young and old) don't care about the quality or that some artists put a lot of work in it and that it should be heared on a decent system.
I loved the LP for it's coversize but never for its clicks and pops, terrible. I always recorded it immediately when I bought one so that I could hear it with the least possible clicks/pops (and I had a Thorens too).
But there was something about those concept albums with those side long tracks.
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Posted: 02.07.2007 - 01:22  ·  #22
Thanks, Artemi :) Yes, I'm afraid that for commercial music "albums" have already almost stopped existing, and like you I hope that will not happen with less commercial music....
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Posted: 02.07.2007 - 01:56  ·  #23
I grew up listening to LP's and the only thing I miss is the Big format... which allowed for fantastic cover art ... you ever bought those 3 Lp albums? (E.L.P. , YES, ETC) having them was a big event... now you can have all that in a little box...

But I certainly do not miss the scratch!!!

CONGRATULATIONS on the new "Portal" !!!!
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Posted: 02.07.2007 - 07:36  ·  #24
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I think that the objective is to try to come back to the sound of the record as the artist intended to do it. A good system should not "alter" the sound, keep as pure and neutral as possible, without a color which could change all record's sound. . . . . . .


Indeed, as per the old Quad ads "a piece of wire with gain"

However, since the source material had suffered a considerable indignity (being digitized) we do what we can to re-inject 'warmth' since today's amps can be a tad, erm, clinical in their delivery.
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