- Is the Magic lost ? -

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 ·  Posted: 21.11.2007 - 22:48  ·  #41
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No I'm not, can you give me an example how music can completely change from where it's at right now?, notice I said music, so I don't want any examples like the so-called "contemporary classical composers" which IMO is nothing but chaotic, talentless drivel, anyone can bang their fists randomly or up and down on piano keys and call it music. Same goes for "experiMENTAL" Nor do I consider mixing genres "new". It's just not music, look at the movie industry, nothing but remakes. No more fresh ideas. IMO electronic music was the "final frontier" for music, it's just unfortunate it's despised by most people.


Eric, I don't think revolutionary changes in music come over night, in one sweeping change. This is what I think your looking for. I think it is happening. Can I give you examples? No. I'm just a dedicated listener. That I'm afraid, dosn't qualify me as an authority. :D For what its worth, because the music is disliked by most, it dose, make it hard to come up with the next, disliked level of music. ;)
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 ·  Posted: 21.11.2007 - 23:11  ·  #42
Eric, just out of curiosity, what do you listen to?
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ripping off

 ·  Posted: 25.11.2007 - 05:59  ·  #43
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Has not all "new" music been simply mixing what was before, combined with experiments?

When was it in music history that someone took a leap forward without being based on something that was before? Even Brian Eno "ripped off" Satie.


I think there was a time, when someone was complimented, when someone was inspired by someones accomplishes, not anymore.
The compliment, probly only lasted for about 2 minutes, then where is my lawyer. ;)
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 ·  Posted: 25.11.2007 - 12:38  ·  #44
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In short, I agree that we are overloaded but I don't blame instruments or even serious musicians.
it's just that we are living in a world where instant gratification rules. No one wants to dedicate themselves or commit themselves.
They want rewards without the graft. Both listeners and "artists"

Rant over!


Not much to rant about. Those are all such issues that have become more and more prevailing these days. But as can be read from Glenn's article it's also the economics that has become even more the driving force behind everything, including EM. And, as a label owner, Glenn is propably seeing things a little more extensively from the financial point of view?

Is it so that there's no one who wants to commit to making EM. I disagree with this. Think e.g. about Nattefrost or Ian Boddy or M.Shreeve, just to name a few.
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 ·  Posted: 09.01.2008 - 12:43  ·  #45
All valid excellent points, forum members. Here is what I see being in the US, the record companies abandoned any oppurtunities they might have had, by ripping off the artists composers they signed years ago. The state of EM here is all relegated to the techno dance crowd, for the most part, that is where the listeners tend to be drawn to. I for one can handle about 4 minutes of this tops and that's pushin' it.

We also have this overblown commercial radio scene here that plays everything twice a day if not more. The biggest draw in the 70's, 80's and early 90's was Tangerine Dream, they brought a lot of folks to the genre. TD has not been in the US since 1992 for a tour. On the other hand there is music that surpasses this many times over. The many camps of artists in this genre want to keep it that way, so exposure to this can sometimes be a daunting task. As a Radio host, producer, and absolute fanatic about EM, it is a situation where we cannot get music here to provide to our audience. I would like to see more involvement from the community by providing an occasional "promo" disc perhaps.....There are two of us on here that do just that, me and sonic steve, and we want to get the music out there, the audience loves it.

The other situation is too many genre's where by the unaccustomed listener has a hard time deciding which product to buy. The reviews here may get a bit lengthy and this further detracts from basis of the artist and composition and may cause alienation on the part of the listener.

Hope I'm on target with this, but it is my view and humble opinion..
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 ·  Posted: 15.01.2008 - 20:34  ·  #46
Sensory overload?
Heck yes, I've got a huge pile of 70s stuff alone I need to look into but haven't had the time to do so yet.

End of history?
The history of the so-called fine arts leads me to believe that music indeed has come to its "end". Back in the 1850s thru 1950s, new and groundbreiking genres (symbolism, impressionism, fauvism, surrealism, cubism, suprematism etc etc.) were invented almost yearly. But who can name a major art genre that has emerged since then?? Nobody outside of art historians, that's who, and genres only kno'n to them likely do not deserve to be called "major". After pop art and abstract expressionism, there's just about nowhere left to go
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 ·  Posted: 16.01.2008 - 01:26  ·  #47
No. The magic isn't lost.
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 ·  Posted: 16.01.2008 - 08:07  ·  #48
[quote="Tropylium"]Sensory overload?
Heck yes, I've got a huge pile of 70s stuff alone I need to look into but haven't had the time to do so yet.

End of history?
The history of the so-called fine arts leads me to believe that music indeed has come to its "end". Back in the 1850s thru 1950s, new and groundbreiking genres (symbolism, impressionism, fauvism, surrealism, cubism, suprematism etc etc.) were invented almost yearly. But who can name a major art genre that has emerged since then?? Nobody outside of art historians, that's who, and genres only kno'n to them likely do not deserve to be called "major". After pop art and abstract expressionism, there's just about nowhere left to go
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