- Is the Magic lost ? -

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Posted: 09.11.2007 - 09:36  ·  #1


by Glenn Folkvord


A synthesizer playing friend of mine once wondered why there are little or no truly amazing electronic
music around these days. It was a rhetorical question, but it is something I too have been thinking
about for some time. I remember the summer of 1989, when I bought my first CDs ever, they were all
electronic music; Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk, Yanni, Kitaro, Jarre. The summer of 1989 opened the
doors to a whole new world of different, exotic, innovative, rewarding, and exploratory music for me.

I have heard a lot of electronic music since then, and today (18 years later) I consider myself somewhat
jaded or saturated when it comes to exploring new sounds, and getting fewer shivers from music.
I have no problems with basic appreciation of electronic music or any other genre I listen to (mostly
classical music and movie soundtracks), but all the experience, time and age that has passed has
changed the listening experience. But I am not sure it's only those universal life circumstances that has
caused this.

To make a long story short, there is also what I call information and sensory overload.

Can there be too much information? In another time, in another century, reading the sleeves of LPs and
booklets of CDs would make me wonder about those cool sounding instruments and hearing the unusual
sounds that artists squeezed from them. During the last 10 years however, oodles of information has
been made available, mainly on the internet, and I have also been hanging around synthesizer guys
enough to know that there is nothing magic about the Moogs and the ARPs. In fact, they kind of sound
boring unless you work them. Wikipedia, YouTube, mySpace, official websites, forums, mailing lists, fan
communities and Facebook is changing the way content is created and distributed, and it all contributes
to enlighten us about what was once unknown, expensive (to make) and exotic music.

An even bigger problem than information overload is perhaps sensory overload. In the 60s and 70s,
electronic music was rare, and so were the instruments. During the 1990s electronic instruments became
affordable, and coincided with software synths arriving at the scene, and also the internet for communica-
tions, as well as home CDR burning. Artists flourished. The 90s snowballed electronic music, as electronica
and ambient music got a foothold in mainstream media; I learned about artists like Orbital, Air, The Orb,
Massive Attack and Sven V
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Excellent thoughts, Glenn, there's certainly something to think about. Perhaps with the Internet, there's so much music available, and sometimes it becomes a bit too much, as you just don't have enough time to browse through all those many releases. However, thankfully, I am not yet saturated (hopefully, I never will) and I can still sense magic when it's there.
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Posted: 12.11.2007 - 01:36  ·  #4
Lots of good points, but it doesn't match my feelings about music. Back in the late 80s finding really excellent EM that matched my taste was extremely difficult, and there were only a handful of releases across several years that really struck a chord. Of course, they stayed with me for decades - I still listen to them, and they still send shivers up my spine.

Today by contrast I find it much easier to track down great music that I like. The fact that it's easier to make music means there's a lot more music out there, and perhaps surprisingly a lot of it is of excellent quality. Yesterday alone I heard three new albums (one I bought, two I downloaded because the artist offered them for free) that gave me shivers - I went to bed with great music in my head, and it took me quite a while to get to sleep. That was a once a year event back in 1987, but these days it's thankfully a lot more common.

My senses are also being overloaded, but in a very good way.
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I agree in general, but I think it is not just electronic music.

Recording used to be a major pain as studios cost a fortune and hardly anyone knew what went on in a studio, so you were at the hands of whichever engineer there was.
These days, most people have a studio at home (a PC)
The amount of RUBBISH released is phenomenal. It really is. Badly recorded, no original ideas at all and just rubbish. This is in every genre though. Maybe EM suffers a touch more than other genre, but I think it's just a consequence of the internet.
Moogs and ARPs are tools. It all depends how you work. I love working with them and they are to me real instruments. Learn to play them and you get magic in my opinion. Creative tools which in the right hands go further than just being "synths"
Vangelis on his CS80 for example. Now, a CS80 is an absolutely fabulous synth, but there are few people if any who can master a synth that well. ENO and his VCS3. Schulze and the big Moog.

That for me is the real problem. No one masters their instrument anymore. It should become an extension of your mind in a certain way, but that requires dedication as well as talent and few people have both these days.

Just eating Filet Mignon might become boring, maybe so, but it is not the only good cut of meat out there luckily.

Then again we end up on the argument of VALUE.
I filled up my car 2 days ago and I also bought a mobile phone as mine died after 5 years (yes, I am old school when it comes to phones!)
The mobile phone was the same price as a tank of petrol.
For my rent and monthly bills, I could buy a nice iMac new.
Luxuries have become cheap. Things we NEED have become expensive as we have to feed all those shareholders and the management...

In short, I agree that we are overloaded but I don't blame instruments or even serious musicians.
it's just that we are living in a world where instant gratification rules. No one wants to dedicate themselves or commit themselves.
They want rewards without the graft. Both listeners and "artists"

Rant over!

I'd say there is more good music around these days, but it is hidden behind the masses of shit out there... to put it nicely ;-)
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Posted: 12.11.2007 - 10:38  ·  #6
I mostly agree, but I suspect the proportion of good music out there is about the same as ever it was, however there is so much more rubbish around...
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Quote by dlmorley
I agree in general, but I think it is not just electronic music.

Recording used to be a major pain as studios cost a fortune and hardly anyone knew what went on in a studio, so you were at the hands of whichever engineer there was.
These days, most people have a studio at home (a PC)
The amount of RUBBISH released is phenomenal. It really is. Badly recorded, no original ideas at all and just rubbish. This is in every genre though. Maybe EM suffers a touch more than other genre, but I think it's just a consequence of the internet.
Moogs and ARPs are tools. It all depends how you work. I love working with them and they are to me real instruments. Learn to play them and you get magic in my opinion. Creative tools which in the right hands go further than just being "synths"
Vangelis on his CS80 for example. Now, a CS80 is an absolutely fabulous synth, but there are few people if any who can master a synth that well. ENO and his VCS3. Schulze and the big Moog.

That for me is the real problem. No one masters their instrument anymore. It should become an extension of your mind in a certain way, but that requires dedication as well as talent and few people have both these days.

Just eating Filet Mignon might become boring, maybe so, but it is not the only good cut of meat out there luckily.

Then again we end up on the argument of VALUE.
I filled up my car 2 days ago and I also bought a mobile phone as mine died after 5 years (yes, I am old school when it comes to phones!)
The mobile phone was the same price as a tank of petrol.
For my rent and monthly bills, I could buy a nice iMac new.
Luxuries have become cheap. Things we NEED have become expensive as we have to feed all those shareholders and the management...

In short, I agree that we are overloaded but I don't blame instruments or even serious musicians.
it's just that we are living in a world where instant gratification rules. No one wants to dedicate themselves or commit themselves.
They want rewards without the graft. Both listeners and "artists"

Rant over!

I'd say there is more good music around these days, but it is hidden behind the masses of shit out there... to put it nicely ;-)


Good points, David.
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Posted: 12.11.2007 - 13:14  ·  #8
Time jades most things. Listening to a new musical style/genre for the first time is an exciting discovery. I still remember the time when I discovered Autobahn, Ricochet and Moondawn. At that time they were so unbelievably different to anything else on offer. 30 years down the line yes, the magic of those discoveries is lost. But I still enjoy listening to 'electronic music'. There is very little now that can truly be called 'new', but evry so often something comes along that fires that old spark.

The more knowledge you accumulate about a subject the more the 'mystery' will be diluted. I have learnt an enormous amount about 'electronic' music over the years, in particular with the advent of the internet (and forums like this). Some of this knowledge has killed off a few myths I once enjoyed ( I always assumed that if someone played 'live' they were actually playing live). Some of this knowledge has helped to re-kindle some of that original magic.

The internet cuts both ways, but the good far outweighs the bad. 30 years ago I knew of perhaps 4 EM artists. 20 years ago probably 20. 10 years ago and the information highway was pushing that number up to say, 50. Today I have access to 1000's. That most certainly isn't a bad thing. There is still some magic out there and it certainly isn't harder to find than it was 30 years ago.
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