-The Sad Old Seven-

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 ·  Posted: 10.09.2007 - 22:25  ·  #33
That's the job of the recording engineer. A producer is an artistic person who offers and makes artistic contributions.

I dont believe for a minute that a synth dude is having an easier job on selecting, arranging and playing thousands of sounds and working with music that is physically impossible to play.

Besides, the human factor is something you can never escape, no matter how few instruments and people you have "on stage"; the fact that you get immersed in your own stuff and dont hear see (hear) clearly. Sometimes the producer's job is simply to bring the artist down on his/her feet and say that a song stinks :-)
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 ·  Posted: 10.09.2007 - 23:12  ·  #34
I think an engineer does what the producer wants in general and the producer should know how to get the sound he (or the artist) wants (balancing the instruments in the soundfield and arrangement) OR you have engineers who in effect produce because they make the choices the producer should be making! A producer is responsible for the balance and how the music is recorded, NOT the engineer.

I've done my fair share of production and it involves stripping songs down, helping them decide how to play certain sections or themes, arranging, additions etc, BUT the songs are there already and these are invariably bands that just need guidance in how to make the songs as streamlined and powerful as possible.
With electronic music, almost always it is created and produced at the same time. EM artists in my opinion create at the same time as the production takes place OR the recording is a performance of sorts.
I don't see a producer being able to do much more with lots of EM artists than say whether he likes something or not.

Lots of EM duo's or groups actually divide themselves up anyway and one person is better at programming, another producing and another at performing.
Getting an external producer in for EM makes no sense. He will be a member of the band then (or a KDM figure)
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 ·  Posted: 10.09.2007 - 23:17  ·  #35
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With electronic music, almost always it is created and produced at the same time. EM artists in my opinion create at the same time as the production takes place OR the recording is a performance of sorts.

Right :)
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 ·  Posted: 10.09.2007 - 23:19  ·  #36
An honest and well thought out article by Artemi (imo). I would go as far as saying that most of what was said would have held true 20+ years ago.
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 ·  Posted: 10.09.2007 - 23:56  ·  #37
When dlmorley said "balancing and recording instruments" I thought he meant placement of microphones, etc. That's why I said it's the job of the engineer.

There is lots an external producer can add to an EM band. It can be everything from suggesting song structure change to adding effects and tweaks, to mixing... or to ask/decide that you use other instruments, sounds or reverbs. Whatever the artist has "produced" at the time of composing and/or recording can always be changed or reconsidered.

How you choose to define that person in the sleeve notes, member or not a member, is irrelevant. The point is to have one person that is dedicated to producing. Someone who is not immersed in the music too much but can offer a fresh view and experience from outside that particular project.

I am not too fond of this idea that EM artists have that they are best when left alone and can provide art from their lonely geniouses :lol:
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 ·  Posted: 11.09.2007 - 00:19  ·  #38
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I am not too fond of this idea that EM artists have that they are best when left alone and can provide art from their lonely geniouses :lol:


and I am of completely the opposite view. A lot of great art is made without any outside interference

and no doubt there are a spectrum of opinions between these polar opposites ;)

Art doesn't have to be polished to perfection to be art
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 ·  Posted: 11.09.2007 - 00:40  ·  #39
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Art doesn't have to be polished to perfection to be art

Doris Norton, the one and only woman I know of who made electronic music (no, Wendy Carlos doesn't count! 😉 ) once told me: "Technical proficiency is not an essential requirement to let out the good and beauty that are in one's soul".
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 ·  Posted: 11.09.2007 - 00:41  ·  #40
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I would go as far as saying that most of what was said would have held true 20+ years ago.

Sadly true :(
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