-The Sad Old Seven-

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 ·  Posted: 11.09.2007 - 03:26  ·  #41
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Doris Norton, the one and only woman I know of who made electronic music (no, Wendy Carlos doesn't count! 😉 )


That's a rather caustic comment, IMO. I assume you're poking fun at the fact that she changed her gender.

Besides, as far as women go, you're forgetting Suzanne Ciani and Meg Bowles, at the least. There's also Stephanie Sante to consider, although she has moved on to a more jazz-influenced sound. And there's also Suzanne Doucet, too.
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 ·  Posted: 11.09.2007 - 03:31  ·  #42
As for producers, IMO, a good producer is what's needed in lots of EM, ambient and new age music. Artists "think" they know what's best, but they seldom do in regards to things like track sequencing, cover art, track length, mixing, instrumentation, and overall aesthestics. Some artists can produce their own work just fine whereas others could be GREATLY improved by a producer stepping in and saying "Uhh, well, maybe you should cut this 10 minute track to 7 or 6 minutes" (as an example). Granted, it takes a great (i.e. humble) artist to admit he/she doesn't know everything there is to know about music, but sometimes one gets too close to the source and loses perspective.

OTOH, if all one wants to do is offer up what one THINKS is great and if the world disagreees, then who cares, have at it. 😉
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 ·  Posted: 11.09.2007 - 03:43  ·  #43
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That's a rather caustic comment, IMO. I assume you're poking fun at the fact that she changed her gender.

:shock: :shock: :shock: Not at all, I'm just saying that because she was a guy, whatever it is that makes women dislike EM evidently wasn't present in her mental structure. I thought we had moved beyond "you cannot mention this or you're a racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever", personally I consider that so normal that I can talk about it with no problem, but that's just me, apparently :roll: I apologize if that offended anyone, but that's not what I meant at all, that was in the eye of the beholder...

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Besides, as far as women go, you're forgetting Suzanne Ciani and Meg Bowles, at the least. There's also Stephanie Sante to consider, although she has moved on to a more jazz-influenced sound. And there's also Suzanne Doucet, too.

I should've specified better, I meant a different kind of EM (more Berlin School, computer based etc., if you knew Norton's work from the 80's you'd understand what I mean, with words only it's difficult for me to explain).
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 ·  Posted: 11.09.2007 - 17:00  ·  #44
I didn't mean to attack you personally about your Wendy Carlos comment, and you didn't offend me, it's just odd, IMO, that you even mentioned it period. You're entitled to write whatever you want and I apologize for inferring otherwise. I recognize it was a throwaway reference as well.

That said, if you were limiting yourself to Berlin school type EM anyway, Carlos (Wendy or Walter) wouldn't apply anyway (which means it wasn't necessarty to even mention her at all), nor would, as you pointed out, Ciani.

Again, not meaning to raise your hackles, but as they say on the TV show Law and Order "You opened the door" and I walked in. :) I'm sorry if my response was viewed as being overtly critical of you as a person. As I wrote above, you're entitled to state your views and, FWIW, I don't consider your opinion offensive. It just felt like an unncessary jab, that's all.
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 ·  Posted: 12.09.2007 - 00:39  ·  #45
No problem, actually I think it was just some kind of intercultural misunderstanding due to our countries being so different (neither better than the other, just different) in their approach to things in general and delicate ones like this in particular (we've got transe xual politicians, for instance), nothing more 😉
History, friends again :)

As to Carlos, her music definitely belongs in the kind of EM that's in my mind, her apporach to music was absolutely electronic, even when she played classical music. Ciani is no doubt New Age. IMO, it's not enough to use synth sounds to make EM, otherwise any pop song in the charts would be em... Miles Davis used synths, too, but that's still jazz. TD used guitars or real drums in their music, but that's still em. Ciani is not em, imo, Carlos is...
Norton was unique, never heard anything like it, but totally em.
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